Subtlety Rogue PvE Guide

PvE Guide
Patch: 8.3.7
Author: Wowmeta
Class: Rogue
Specialization: Subtlety
Last updated on: Aug 20, 2020

Welcome to our World of Warcraft Subtlety Rogue DPS Guide for Battle of Azeroth Patch 8.3 and latest Raid - Ny'alotha. Here you can explore the optimal choices of Talents, Stats, Gear (BiS), Gems, Azerite Powers & Azerite Essences, Races, Consumables, Rotation. We constantly check our guides to be up-to-date and make changes if needed.

You can use this guide as a solid starting point for building your character, while eventually, you might tweak things according to your gameplay preferences.

1. Talents

15
Weaponmaster
Find Weakness
Gloomblade
30
Nightstalker
Subterfuge
Shadow Focus
45
Vigor
Deeper Stratagem
Marked for Death
60
Soothing Darkness
Cheat Death
Elusiveness
75
Shot in the Dark
Night Terrors
Prey on the Weak
90
Dark Shadow
Alacrity
Enveloping Shadows
100
Master of Shadows
Secret Technique
Shuriken Tornado

2. Stats

Critical Strike > Versatility > Haste > Mastery

3. Gear

Note: This list contains basic versions of each item (with baseline item levels), you should try to get the highest possible iLvL of each item listed here.

Back
Feet
> >
Head
> >
Legs
> >
Neck
Ring
> >
Chest
> >
Hands
> >
Waist
> >
Wrist
> >
Trinket
> >
Main Hand
> >
Shoulders
> >

4. Azerite essence

Azerite Essence
> >

5. Gem

Gem
> >

6. Azerite powers

Azerite Power
> >

7. Races

Race
Blood Elf > Night Elf > Void Elf

8. Consumables

Food
Rune
Flask
Potion
Ring enchant
>
Weapon enchant
>
>
>
Healing Potion

9. Rotation

Note: Question marks should be tapped/hovered over with mouse.

? Use Potion
? If you ever get out of combat (like between pulls in mythic+)
? If you are at least 3 combo points from max. Save it for 3+ targets if the fight allows.
? Always use Shadowstrike out of Vanish/Stealth
? Use Potion: During Shadow Blades. Save for AoE if possible.
? Use Racial Active Buff: With Symbols of Death and/or Shadow Blades
? Use Trinkets: Try to use buff trinkets during Symbols of Death
? Once at the start of the fight after your opening Shadowstrike to get it rolling on the target
? Whenever it is available as long as Nightblade is up on the target.
? Refresh Nightblade at 4+ (5+ with Deeper Stratagem) Combo Points whenever it is in the 30% refresh window
? When you are at least 4 Combo Points from max and have 40+ Energy. Save for Symbols of Death, but don't let charges max out. Use up charges at the end of the fight regardless.
? Use at 4+ (5+ with Deeper Stratagem) Combo Points
? Vanish when you have enough Power to Shadowstrike immediately and you can benefit from the full Combo Point gain. 2 normally, 3 with Shadow Blades. Don't use if you are already in Shadow Dance.
? When you need Combo Points and you can't use Shadowstrike (Stealth, Shadow Dance, Subterfuge)

Frequently Asked Questions

🧐 How is this Guide useful?

The goal of our guides is to show you the overall "optimal" options for building your character. If you do not wish to dig through walls of text then you may like our visual "cut to the chase" approach.

📚 Where do you get this data from?

We use algorithms to parse big data chunks from Top 1% Raiders using various public World of Warcraft sources such as the official Blizzard API and WarcraftLogs. We believe that statistics is a very reliable method for determining solid choices for end-game optimization.

😸 Why do you show different recommendations for each boss?

There is usually a slight divergence in optimal choices for each given boss, so we decided to cover that in our guides. However, we also provide you with the 'All Stars' option which is the summary of most popular choices for all bosses together, in case you want the 'set it and forget it' approach (even though in some cases you might end up sacrificing a bit of your performance).